Thursday, May 6, 2010

Basic Concepts

How you've been thinking, apparently, about the phrase "woman poet":


How you should think about the phrase "woman poet":

18 comments:

  1. or

    (man poets | woman poets)

    ?

    ;-)

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  2. I left some fields blank, yes, for more interaction. :)

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  3. Yeah, what about trans-poets?

    But, in any case, preaching to choir.

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  4. I've been thinkIng about transgender too, or rather the biologic plurality vs. social duality of gender. Some women prefer not to be called "women poets" or "female poets" but it is more often because they feel some embarrassment about being female than it is because of a sensitivity to the possibilities of gender (or genre).

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  5. Do you ever read Jessica Hagy's blog indexed? I think you would like it: http://thisisindexed.com/.

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  6. Jeremiah/Jessica, I realize this is slightly oversimplified but yes, my point was that if you're a (human) poet, you're probably either a man, a woman, or trans-gendered. "Woman writer" is a subset of "writer," not a different set. Same with "man poet."

    I think "woman" aligns more with gender and "female" with sex. Cultural vs. biological.

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  7. Btw, meant that more as "musing on plurality" than as a critique of the diagrams themselves, which are awesome and very useful (and which need to be oversimplified to get through thick skulls).

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  8. Understood ... I should have actually made it even more general with "woman writer" vs. "woman poet."

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  9. This made me smile.

    And then smack my head on the desk.

    But I did smile.

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  10. Ha, as long as you smiled first. :)

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  11. is there something in particular prompting this post or is this a continuation of the ongoing thread

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  12. Prompted by general and recent conversation about women writers/feminism/sexism, especially the phenomenon of women claiming not to want to be categorized as a "woman writer" or a "woman poet" as though it's something you could opt out of, or as though being a woman writer makes you less of a writer or not a writer at all.

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  13. I don't want to be categorized AT ALL.

    The further categorized we become the less open we are to possibility to growth to self belief confidence and the necessary desire and bravery to write.

    I get nervous even being categorized as a poet. I do lots of writing. Does being labeled (i.e. categorized) as poet make me less of a fiction writer? Yes in the eyes of some. Does being labeled a musician make me less of a poet? Hell yes in the eyes of many poets. (Oh, she's a musician who writes.) Being labeled a writer makes me less of a musician in the eyes of many musicians.

    The further I am categorized the less space I have in which to grow as an artist.

    Rebecca

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  14. ps. I am comfortable being categorized as a woman. As for the rest of it, well, it makes my pointy teeth come out.

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  15. I think it's true that people tend to decide you're one thing or another, that you're mainly a musician or mainly a writer (same thing if you write in multiple genres). Maybe because most people only have the time and discipline to focus on one thing at a time, if that. So the assumption is that other people can't do multiple things well.

    It's odd how belonging to multiple categories creates the illusion of being less of one or another. Just as being a women doesn't make you any less of a writer, being a writer doesn't make you any less of a musician. It's just that the set of people who are both writers AND musicians is smaller. You still fall into both larger sets.

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  16. "It's odd how belonging to multiple categories creates the illusion of being less of one or another."

    forrealz. did we learn nothing from bo jackson and deion sanders?

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  17. These MS paint drawings are just more visual testament as to why, when I go to read blogs, I check this one first. Is there a word that combines Hilarious and Truth?

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  18. Hi Keith!

    That would be a great word. Also, I'm glad you noticed I did this crap in Paint.

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